1 00:00:10,209 --> 00:00:07,059 longtime researcher with the pay lab and 2 00:00:13,539 --> 00:00:10,219 I think he's also a constructor of rec 3 00:00:15,850 --> 00:00:13,549 so John thank you very much hi everyone 4 00:00:17,830 --> 00:00:15,860 I'm gonna talk today about conciliation 5 00:00:19,990 --> 00:00:17,840 my matter interaction as you can see I'm 6 00:00:21,550 --> 00:00:20,000 gonna anchor it very much on random 7 00:00:24,010 --> 00:00:21,560 event generator experiments but then I'm 8 00:00:25,660 --> 00:00:24,020 gonna try to link it back to you know 9 00:00:26,950 --> 00:00:25,670 remote-viewing healing some of the other 10 00:00:28,660 --> 00:00:26,960 phenomena that people have brought up 11 00:00:31,210 --> 00:00:28,670 with the hopes that that will allow us 12 00:00:32,650 --> 00:00:31,220 to better build on the concilium seem 13 00:00:35,470 --> 00:00:32,660 and think about what might be in common 14 00:00:37,060 --> 00:00:35,480 across these phenomena so about me I 15 00:00:37,210 --> 00:00:37,070 don't want to spend too much detail on 16 00:00:39,550 --> 00:00:37,220 it 17 00:00:41,979 --> 00:00:39,560 we had an intro I think probably the 18 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:41,989 most interesting part here aside from 19 00:00:46,990 --> 00:00:43,610 the fact that Bob John and Brenda done 20 00:00:49,150 --> 00:00:47,000 saved me from conventional education by 21 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:49,160 exposing me to the pair work before I 22 00:00:53,830 --> 00:00:52,010 went to college is the fact that along 23 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:53,840 with herb Mertz and the pair guys and 24 00:00:57,549 --> 00:00:55,130 some of our other friends from around 25 00:00:59,979 --> 00:00:57,559 here we started this organization called 26 00:01:01,930 --> 00:00:59,989 Sylar on which made random event 27 00:01:03,100 --> 00:01:01,940 generator devices with the goal of just 28 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:03,110 getting them out into the public so that 29 00:01:07,149 --> 00:01:04,610 people could conduct more experiments 30 00:01:09,399 --> 00:01:07,159 and of course in the process of doing 31 00:01:11,349 --> 00:01:09,409 that we ran plenty of our own 32 00:01:12,910 --> 00:01:11,359 experiments herb who you guys have heard 33 00:01:15,059 --> 00:01:12,920 from before and has a book coming out 34 00:01:17,230 --> 00:01:15,069 spent several thousand hours literally 35 00:01:19,510 --> 00:01:17,240 using the RTG himself and trying to 36 00:01:21,730 --> 00:01:19,520 document what his training process and 37 00:01:23,709 --> 00:01:21,740 feelings were like and basically it was 38 00:01:25,419 --> 00:01:23,719 just a really good vantage point to 39 00:01:26,769 --> 00:01:25,429 understand what different experimenters 40 00:01:28,749 --> 00:01:26,779 were finding in addition to what we were 41 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:28,759 doing so I think it was it was unique 42 00:01:33,730 --> 00:01:31,130 and pretty positive experience what I'm 43 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:33,740 gonna do here now talk about the regi 44 00:01:37,449 --> 00:01:35,450 I'm always a little bit in trouble 45 00:01:39,370 --> 00:01:37,459 because I recognize that half of the 46 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:39,380 audience is pretty familiar with this 47 00:01:42,069 --> 00:01:41,090 stuff at least at a high level and it 48 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:42,079 looks like we have a lot of new people 49 00:01:44,679 --> 00:01:43,130 this year who don't even know how the 50 00:01:46,539 --> 00:01:44,689 experiments work so I'm gonna try to 51 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:46,549 balance that it's hard in the 20 minutes 52 00:01:50,980 --> 00:01:48,770 but hopefully Harold and bill will keep 53 00:01:52,389 --> 00:01:50,990 me on track and I'll do it quickly 54 00:01:55,209 --> 00:01:52,399 enough and coherently enough that it 55 00:01:56,559 --> 00:01:55,219 makes sense so I'm also gonna see 56 00:01:58,719 --> 00:01:56,569 actually I'm not what I'm going to do is 57 00:02:00,219 --> 00:01:58,729 I'll give you the ten-second overview on 58 00:02:01,989 --> 00:02:00,229 what the random event generator is so 59 00:02:05,379 --> 00:02:01,999 it's a physical device that connects to 60 00:02:07,029 --> 00:02:05,389 the computer you this is pretty 61 00:02:09,309 --> 00:02:07,039 simplified but just think of it as an 62 00:02:11,559 --> 00:02:09,319 electronic coin toss er where the coins 63 00:02:13,420 --> 00:02:11,569 that are being tossed are based on some 64 00:02:15,430 --> 00:02:13,430 kind of underlying process that 65 00:02:17,140 --> 00:02:15,440 generally speaking quantum physics says 66 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:17,150 are fundamentally random so it could be 67 00:02:20,170 --> 00:02:18,530 something like 68 00:02:21,310 --> 00:02:20,180 electrons tunneling in a field effect 69 00:02:24,640 --> 00:02:21,320 transistor it could be something like 70 00:02:26,230 --> 00:02:24,650 radioactive lead decaying molecule 71 00:02:27,850 --> 00:02:26,240 triggering a timer there's sort of a 72 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:27,860 long list of things it doesn't really 73 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:29,450 matter and we'll talk about that a bit 74 00:02:34,270 --> 00:02:32,330 later but basically let's just imagine 75 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:34,280 there's a little particle if it goes one 76 00:02:38,470 --> 00:02:35,890 way we're gonna call it a zero a bit 77 00:02:40,630 --> 00:02:38,480 like this little up arrow I'm sorry 78 00:02:42,310 --> 00:02:40,640 we'll call it a one bit if it goes up 79 00:02:44,380 --> 00:02:42,320 we'll call it a zero bit if it goes the 80 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:44,390 other way and what we're gonna do is 81 00:02:47,199 --> 00:02:45,410 we're gonna have people sit down in 82 00:02:48,580 --> 00:02:47,209 front of a computer and they're gonna 83 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:48,590 say ahead of time alright I'm gonna 84 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:50,570 watch a line on the screen and I want 85 00:02:54,910 --> 00:02:53,450 this device to produce more 1 bits so 86 00:02:56,740 --> 00:02:54,920 you know I want to make the line go up 87 00:02:58,360 --> 00:02:56,750 let's say you'll do that you know we'll 88 00:02:59,920 --> 00:02:58,370 do it a few thousand times we'll collect 89 00:03:02,560 --> 00:02:59,930 a lot of different data from the 90 00:03:04,690 --> 00:03:02,570 different operators and in the end we 91 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:04,700 get an effect that looks not always of 92 00:03:07,930 --> 00:03:06,050 course I'm picking some of the best data 93 00:03:09,130 --> 00:03:07,940 from the pair lab but you get an effect 94 00:03:10,810 --> 00:03:09,140 that looks like this you know so for 95 00:03:12,970 --> 00:03:10,820 this operator when they were trying to 96 00:03:14,350 --> 00:03:12,980 make the output of this device go up it 97 00:03:16,449 --> 00:03:14,360 went up when they're trying to make it 98 00:03:17,890 --> 00:03:16,459 go down it went down and when they were 99 00:03:20,470 --> 00:03:17,900 you know you can debate how they took 100 00:03:22,539 --> 00:03:20,480 the baseline instruction but you know it 101 00:03:24,310 --> 00:03:22,549 kind of stayed in the center this if the 102 00:03:26,920 --> 00:03:24,320 random event generator was behaving the 103 00:03:28,420 --> 00:03:26,930 way that classical physics thinks it 104 00:03:29,949 --> 00:03:28,430 should behave and this shouldn't happen 105 00:03:32,199 --> 00:03:29,959 I mean there should be no reason why a 106 00:03:34,539 --> 00:03:32,209 physical device responds or behaves 107 00:03:35,740 --> 00:03:34,549 differently based on a person looking at 108 00:03:37,690 --> 00:03:35,750 it and having an intention one way or 109 00:03:39,729 --> 00:03:37,700 the other so this is sort of the tip of 110 00:03:41,979 --> 00:03:39,739 the iceberg the reason I wanted to bring 111 00:03:43,300 --> 00:03:41,989 it up in the concilium conversation and 112 00:03:44,710 --> 00:03:43,310 again I'm gonna try to keep myself under 113 00:03:47,259 --> 00:03:44,720 control here because it's easy to go 114 00:03:48,759 --> 00:03:47,269 into a lot of detail but basically I'm 115 00:03:50,289 --> 00:03:48,769 going to argue over the course of this 116 00:03:51,759 --> 00:03:50,299 that what we find in the rent with the 117 00:03:53,319 --> 00:03:51,769 random event generator phenomena is 118 00:03:55,270 --> 00:03:53,329 actually not at all different from what 119 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:55,280 we find in most of these other types of 120 00:03:58,509 --> 00:03:57,290 phenomena but that actually and I'm 121 00:04:00,670 --> 00:03:58,519 gonna refer to it as mind matter 122 00:04:03,069 --> 00:04:00,680 interaction phenomena I actually hate 123 00:04:04,780 --> 00:04:03,079 that phrase because I think it embeds a 124 00:04:06,819 --> 00:04:04,790 kind of dualism that's probably really 125 00:04:08,710 --> 00:04:06,829 wrong but it's the only convenient way 126 00:04:10,690 --> 00:04:08,720 to talk about it so we're gonna have to 127 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:10,700 do that but basically the reason I 128 00:04:15,250 --> 00:04:13,010 really like these things is that you're 129 00:04:17,110 --> 00:04:15,260 starting with a physical device where 130 00:04:18,819 --> 00:04:17,120 the output you understand it's 131 00:04:20,259 --> 00:04:18,829 theoretical the Fiorello properties 132 00:04:21,729 --> 00:04:20,269 there's output very well and you can 133 00:04:24,370 --> 00:04:21,739 empirically test them and confirm that 134 00:04:25,810 --> 00:04:24,380 that's true super easily it's also very 135 00:04:27,550 --> 00:04:25,820 resilient against interference so these 136 00:04:29,020 --> 00:04:27,560 things are intentionally designed so 137 00:04:30,310 --> 00:04:29,030 that pretty much no matter what you do 138 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:30,320 in the physical environment to the 139 00:04:32,850 --> 00:04:31,570 device or around the device 140 00:04:35,100 --> 00:04:32,860 it's not going to do anything to change 141 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:35,110 the output so if the output is indeed 142 00:04:38,550 --> 00:04:36,610 change in the direction of intention 143 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:38,560 like we talked about you can presuppose 144 00:04:42,390 --> 00:04:40,330 that at least insofar as we understand 145 00:04:44,990 --> 00:04:42,400 other conventional physical effects it's 146 00:04:47,070 --> 00:04:45,000 not one of those similarly while I have 147 00:04:48,630 --> 00:04:47,080 participated in and enjoy conducting 148 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:48,640 experiments and a lot of other side 149 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:51,010 phenomena you know whether it's remote 150 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:52,450 viewing or presentiment or any of these 151 00:04:56,370 --> 00:04:54,610 other things telepathy you get into 152 00:04:58,170 --> 00:04:56,380 trouble because even if you get a great 153 00:04:59,790 --> 00:04:58,180 effect people always want to say well 154 00:05:01,860 --> 00:04:59,800 you know the person sitting across from 155 00:05:03,750 --> 00:05:01,870 you must have unconsciously wiggled 156 00:05:05,610 --> 00:05:03,760 their eyeball and that let you know that 157 00:05:08,250 --> 00:05:05,620 the card was you know X so there's this 158 00:05:09,900 --> 00:05:08,260 notion of human to human interference or 159 00:05:11,850 --> 00:05:09,910 human to human information transfer 160 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:11,860 that's happening non-anomalous lee which 161 00:05:14,430 --> 00:05:13,330 you essentially rule out if you're going 162 00:05:16,980 --> 00:05:14,440 to use something like you're an event 163 00:05:18,030 --> 00:05:16,990 generator so if the human is interfering 164 00:05:19,260 --> 00:05:18,040 with the random event generator that's 165 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:19,270 great because they're not supposed to be 166 00:05:25,380 --> 00:05:21,130 able to physically do that so you know 167 00:05:26,460 --> 00:05:25,390 we're fine let me just also say because 168 00:05:28,140 --> 00:05:26,470 you're using software to run these 169 00:05:30,630 --> 00:05:28,150 experimental protocols it's very easy to 170 00:05:32,370 --> 00:05:30,640 control and make as robust you can make 171 00:05:33,750 --> 00:05:32,380 it flexible or not flexible or pre 172 00:05:35,340 --> 00:05:33,760 specify your experimental conditions 173 00:05:36,900 --> 00:05:35,350 however you want which is pretty helpful 174 00:05:38,370 --> 00:05:36,910 and of course you know you can do these 175 00:05:40,140 --> 00:05:38,380 experiments in five minutes five hours 176 00:05:41,460 --> 00:05:40,150 five months it just depends on how much 177 00:05:43,170 --> 00:05:41,470 data you want to generate how good your 178 00:05:45,180 --> 00:05:43,180 operators are and that kind of thing so 179 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:45,190 let's jump ahead we talked about the 180 00:05:48,060 --> 00:05:45,730 pair data 181 00:05:49,470 --> 00:05:48,070 I'll give herb and plug for his book he 182 00:05:51,180 --> 00:05:49,480 has a book called the selection effect 183 00:05:52,620 --> 00:05:51,190 that's coming out this is his data so 184 00:05:54,150 --> 00:05:52,630 that I say the difference between herb 185 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:54,160 and the prior data hopefully he won't 186 00:05:59,190 --> 00:05:56,770 get too mad at me was that he started 187 00:06:01,110 --> 00:05:59,200 out not feeling like he was necessarily 188 00:06:02,730 --> 00:06:01,120 great at this but he wanted to learn and 189 00:06:04,170 --> 00:06:02,740 train and work on it and you know in the 190 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:04,180 end he was able to generate some pretty 191 00:06:08,130 --> 00:06:06,490 significant effects so there's a lot of 192 00:06:09,810 --> 00:06:08,140 other stuff we did with re G's aside 193 00:06:12,210 --> 00:06:09,820 from the normal pair lab type of 194 00:06:15,270 --> 00:06:12,220 phenomena I think this gets important to 195 00:06:16,740 --> 00:06:15,280 understand because there are some things 196 00:06:18,990 --> 00:06:16,750 that are that are buried in the fact 197 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:19,000 that the re G does what it does 198 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:21,010 for example the mind lamp which and a 199 00:06:24,660 --> 00:06:23,050 few people have already mentioned is the 200 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:24,670 device that it's basically a lamp that's 201 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:26,890 usually white and then at any given time 202 00:06:30,180 --> 00:06:28,570 based on the random event generator 203 00:06:32,130 --> 00:06:30,190 output it can jump to one of eight 204 00:06:34,020 --> 00:06:32,140 colors so maybe it jumps gred maybe a 205 00:06:35,280 --> 00:06:34,030 jump screen maybe goes blue you sort of 206 00:06:36,660 --> 00:06:35,290 have no idea you know so you don't know 207 00:06:38,490 --> 00:06:36,670 when it's going to be triggered or what 208 00:06:40,230 --> 00:06:38,500 color is going to go to but there are 209 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:40,240 well-defined statistical distributions 210 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:42,130 around both so if Bankston over here 211 00:06:45,690 --> 00:06:44,050 sits down in front of it and says I want 212 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:45,700 to make the lamp turn red 213 00:06:49,350 --> 00:06:47,650 the the hope or the expectation if he's 214 00:06:51,330 --> 00:06:49,360 generating this type of effect would be 215 00:06:53,220 --> 00:06:51,340 that the lamp would ideally turn red 216 00:06:55,140 --> 00:06:53,230 instantly you know maybe it will maybe a 217 00:06:56,490 --> 00:06:55,150 woman but at the minimum it would turn 218 00:06:58,440 --> 00:06:56,500 red more often than it turns the other 219 00:07:01,380 --> 00:06:58,450 colors relative to what you'd expect by 220 00:07:03,060 --> 00:07:01,390 chance the reason that's important is 221 00:07:05,700 --> 00:07:03,070 because just to step back for a second 222 00:07:07,140 --> 00:07:05,710 you know bill banks then our operator 223 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:07,150 doesn't know anything about what's 224 00:07:11,010 --> 00:07:09,250 actually happening inside that device to 225 00:07:12,540 --> 00:07:11,020 make the thing turn red bill Bengston is 226 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:12,550 not sitting there for two years training 227 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:15,250 on how to make the lamp turn red there 228 00:07:18,530 --> 00:07:16,450 seems to be something about this 229 00:07:20,700 --> 00:07:18,540 phenomena just like you know when the 230 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:20,710 line is going up or down with the R eg 231 00:07:23,310 --> 00:07:21,970 the person doesn't actually know 232 00:07:24,660 --> 00:07:23,320 anything about the photons or the 233 00:07:26,310 --> 00:07:24,670 electrons or the radioactive decay 234 00:07:28,170 --> 00:07:26,320 process or whatever you're using but 235 00:07:29,970 --> 00:07:28,180 there is some way in which the intention 236 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:29,980 seems to be able to map itself on to 237 00:07:33,420 --> 00:07:31,930 what needs to happen in the physical 238 00:07:35,820 --> 00:07:33,430 process in order to get the intended 239 00:07:37,950 --> 00:07:35,830 result so this is by itself a kind of 240 00:07:39,750 --> 00:07:37,960 teleology that's pretty at odds with the 241 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:39,760 way we think about the standard 242 00:07:44,540 --> 00:07:41,170 mechanistic causality and most of 243 00:07:46,860 --> 00:07:44,550 science similarly we've got another 244 00:07:47,970 --> 00:07:46,870 process project experiment whatever you 245 00:07:49,140 --> 00:07:47,980 want to call it you guys can look at 246 00:07:50,370 --> 00:07:49,150 some of my earlier talks on this you 247 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:50,380 haven't heard it there's a thing called 248 00:07:53,670 --> 00:07:51,730 sync text where the random event 249 00:07:55,260 --> 00:07:53,680 generator basically decides to send you 250 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:55,270 a message to your cell phone and so the 251 00:07:58,740 --> 00:07:56,770 timing of the message it sends you and 252 00:08:00,360 --> 00:07:58,750 what it sends you a random there's a 253 00:08:02,190 --> 00:08:00,370 quote-unquote random right from a 254 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:02,200 conventional paradigm they're random but 255 00:08:05,610 --> 00:08:04,330 in this from with as far as this kind of 256 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:05,620 phenomena goes it would be driven by 257 00:08:09,030 --> 00:08:07,570 this my mentor interaction effect so you 258 00:08:10,410 --> 00:08:09,040 see a lot of interesting things for 259 00:08:12,990 --> 00:08:10,420 example when I gave the first talk about 260 00:08:15,210 --> 00:08:13,000 sync text describing what it did and why 261 00:08:17,460 --> 00:08:15,220 we made it it was actually an SSE talk I 262 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:17,470 believe it was in 2009 I described the 263 00:08:20,610 --> 00:08:18,490 fact that one of the reasons we went 264 00:08:22,170 --> 00:08:20,620 forward with the project was because it 265 00:08:23,370 --> 00:08:22,180 would often send me a message that says 266 00:08:25,350 --> 00:08:23,380 I know you're thinking about me 267 00:08:26,940 --> 00:08:25,360 while I was thinking about it well while 268 00:08:28,860 --> 00:08:26,950 I was giving that talk I looked at my 269 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:28,870 phone afterwards and I had the message 270 00:08:33,030 --> 00:08:30,970 so it is kind of cool because you know I 271 00:08:34,980 --> 00:08:33,040 didn't tell anyone I didn't mention it 272 00:08:37,350 --> 00:08:34,990 during the talk but you get these sort 273 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:37,360 of interesting interconnected patterns 274 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:40,090 in terms of the output that you're 275 00:08:42,959 --> 00:08:41,050 getting from the device the 276 00:08:44,730 --> 00:08:42,969 psychological meaning etc there's some 277 00:08:47,370 --> 00:08:44,740 other experiments like feel drag don't 278 00:08:48,900 --> 00:08:47,380 want to go into those I do want to 279 00:08:54,690 --> 00:08:48,910 quickly highlight that as far as the re 280 00:08:56,190 --> 00:08:54,700 G phenomena go overall there are you 281 00:08:58,620 --> 00:08:56,200 know a lot of kind of conventional 282 00:08:58,830 --> 00:08:58,630 engineering type questions that people 283 00:09:00,630 --> 00:08:58,840 want 284 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:00,640 ask the pair lab people spend a ton of 285 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:02,410 time on this you know is the effect 286 00:09:06,270 --> 00:09:04,810 dependent on distance is it dependent on 287 00:09:09,750 --> 00:09:06,280 time you know if I'm closer or farther 288 00:09:11,460 --> 00:09:09,760 does the effect fall off again I can 289 00:09:13,050 --> 00:09:11,470 talk about any of this in significant 290 00:09:15,060 --> 00:09:13,060 detail if anybody wants to but I think 291 00:09:16,230 --> 00:09:15,070 the basic answer is distance doesn't 292 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:16,240 matter now that we have the internet you 293 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:17,530 know we do these things thousands of 294 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:18,850 miles away sometimes it makes no 295 00:09:22,950 --> 00:09:21,370 difference the time stuff is always hard 296 00:09:26,100 --> 00:09:22,960 to talk about and communicate the people 297 00:09:27,870 --> 00:09:26,110 but you can clearly and I'm not the only 298 00:09:29,070 --> 00:09:27,880 one who's done these experiments you 299 00:09:30,990 --> 00:09:29,080 look at how much MIT's work or you know 300 00:09:32,370 --> 00:09:31,000 going back to the 80s you can if you're 301 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:32,380 the first one observing the data it 302 00:09:34,560 --> 00:09:33,610 seems pretty clear that people can 303 00:09:36,930 --> 00:09:34,570 influence data that was already 304 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:36,940 pre-recorded and get of basically the 305 00:09:40,620 --> 00:09:38,410 same effect that they get otherwise 306 00:09:43,290 --> 00:09:40,630 which has again huge knock-on effects 307 00:09:45,780 --> 00:09:43,300 and implications for other phenomena in 308 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:45,790 this field I already made this point 309 00:09:50,790 --> 00:09:48,250 that there's sort of it's somewhat 310 00:09:52,740 --> 00:09:50,800 mechanism agnostic both in terms of it 311 00:09:55,140 --> 00:09:52,750 seems like almost any quote/unquote 312 00:09:56,970 --> 00:09:55,150 quantum random process is susceptible to 313 00:09:58,470 --> 00:09:56,980 this the operator doesn't have to know 314 00:10:01,380 --> 00:09:58,480 what exactly they're trying to influence 315 00:10:03,330 --> 00:10:01,390 and again huge variety of physical 316 00:10:05,970 --> 00:10:03,340 phenomena that all seem to be able to be 317 00:10:08,130 --> 00:10:05,980 influenced by this effect the other 318 00:10:09,540 --> 00:10:08,140 thing is again goals right so when 319 00:10:11,790 --> 00:10:09,550 you're using sync text you don't 320 00:10:13,290 --> 00:10:11,800 necessarily have an explicit goal to 321 00:10:15,270 --> 00:10:13,300 make it you know send you a message a 322 00:10:17,220 --> 00:10:15,280 versus message B but in some experiments 323 00:10:18,870 --> 00:10:17,230 you do you know it may be my goal that 324 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:18,880 when I go to the gym I want the synced 325 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:21,090 axis to me message it says work harder 326 00:10:25,620 --> 00:10:23,650 if you really think about how many steps 327 00:10:28,050 --> 00:10:25,630 would be involved in that process to map 328 00:10:29,730 --> 00:10:28,060 that sort of mental intention through to 329 00:10:31,830 --> 00:10:29,740 you know hitting a specific random event 330 00:10:33,780 --> 00:10:31,840 generator that's sitting on a server you 331 00:10:35,100 --> 00:10:33,790 know in Florida at a particular moment 332 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:35,110 in time when it's running the algorithm 333 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:37,090 that's tied to my account etc etc it's 334 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:39,370 it's actually quite amazing that these 335 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:40,650 effects work at all 336 00:10:47,310 --> 00:10:44,410 subjectively on the the operator side of 337 00:10:48,390 --> 00:10:47,320 this you know it's it's not we're 338 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:48,400 spending that much time on it but you 339 00:10:52,700 --> 00:10:49,930 hear things that are a lot like what you 340 00:10:55,410 --> 00:10:52,710 hear in most dire of my matter phenomena 341 00:10:57,600 --> 00:10:55,420 you know people talk people will have 342 00:10:59,040 --> 00:10:57,610 something like beginner's luck there are 343 00:10:59,580 --> 00:10:59,050 certain people who seem to be better at 344 00:11:01,590 --> 00:10:59,590 it than others 345 00:11:03,570 --> 00:11:01,600 but it also seems to be the case that 346 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:03,580 when people people do this unconsciously 347 00:11:06,690 --> 00:11:04,930 pretty well there's a long list of 348 00:11:08,550 --> 00:11:06,700 experiments where the random event 349 00:11:10,860 --> 00:11:08,560 generator is driving something and then 350 00:11:12,450 --> 00:11:10,870 people are just engaged in regular 351 00:11:13,680 --> 00:11:12,460 social behavior but with 352 00:11:15,420 --> 00:11:13,690 the are eg driving an outcome that's 353 00:11:17,550 --> 00:11:15,430 positive or negative for them in that 354 00:11:20,070 --> 00:11:17,560 context and you actually see some one 355 00:11:21,990 --> 00:11:20,080 interesting results anyway don't want to 356 00:11:24,090 --> 00:11:22,000 go crazy we need to switch the concilium 357 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:24,100 so I thought York did a great job of 358 00:11:28,020 --> 00:11:26,530 outlining he kind of beat me to it but 359 00:11:29,730 --> 00:11:28,030 he did a great job of outlining and 360 00:11:32,790 --> 00:11:29,740 combining a whole bunch of different 361 00:11:34,470 --> 00:11:32,800 categories of anomalies I wanted to 362 00:11:36,660 --> 00:11:34,480 focus just on the ones that relate to 363 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:36,670 the so called my Manor interaction and I 364 00:11:40,950 --> 00:11:39,010 was trying to draw from work that SSC 365 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:40,960 people have done again just in an 366 00:11:43,950 --> 00:11:42,250 interest of time I'm not going to be 367 00:11:45,270 --> 00:11:43,960 able to kind of give all of the details 368 00:11:48,510 --> 00:11:45,280 and references and credit to people that 369 00:11:50,010 --> 00:11:48,520 I would like to but what I do want to do 370 00:11:51,870 --> 00:11:50,020 is highlight some of them at a high 371 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:51,880 level and then say 372 00:11:57,930 --> 00:11:54,730 Bengston also jumped me on this but 373 00:12:00,540 --> 00:11:57,940 that's fine I started with the framework 374 00:12:02,790 --> 00:12:00,550 called mapping the anomalies right so 375 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:02,800 people generally think of the re G 376 00:12:08,070 --> 00:12:06,010 phenomena as okay there's a box right 377 00:12:09,570 --> 00:12:08,080 out there and I'm going to influence it 378 00:12:10,680 --> 00:12:09,580 with my mind so there's this idea you 379 00:12:11,970 --> 00:12:10,690 know I joke that like people think 380 00:12:14,370 --> 00:12:11,980 there's like a laser beam coming out of 381 00:12:16,470 --> 00:12:14,380 their brain hitting the re G and that 382 00:12:18,990 --> 00:12:16,480 that somehow makes this process happen 383 00:12:20,580 --> 00:12:19,000 so I would say that's that's the default 384 00:12:21,630 --> 00:12:20,590 thinking that people have if you thought 385 00:12:24,470 --> 00:12:21,640 about some phenomena 386 00:12:26,490 --> 00:12:24,480 you know like large-scale telekinesis 387 00:12:28,260 --> 00:12:26,500 levitation any of that you'd say okay 388 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:28,270 well that's probably you know a physics 389 00:12:32,910 --> 00:12:31,090 like energy effect and it's probably an 390 00:12:34,980 --> 00:12:32,920 influence right because your chair 391 00:12:36,210 --> 00:12:34,990 doesn't decide on its own to jump or 392 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:36,220 something you know on the other hand if 393 00:12:40,140 --> 00:12:37,210 you took something like remote viewing 394 00:12:42,690 --> 00:12:40,150 on this 2x2 I've got sort of energy like 395 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:42,700 information like influencing versus 396 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:44,410 receiving you could say that the purest 397 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:46,090 form of remote viewing is something like 398 00:12:49,170 --> 00:12:47,650 okay I'm trying to figure out what's 399 00:12:51,900 --> 00:12:49,180 happening to my cousin in Pennsylvania 400 00:12:53,010 --> 00:12:51,910 right now well if I do that you could 401 00:12:54,540 --> 00:12:53,020 say well I'm just trying to receive 402 00:12:56,940 --> 00:12:54,550 information here there's not necessary 403 00:12:58,920 --> 00:12:56,950 and influence don't take anything I put 404 00:13:01,560 --> 00:12:58,930 on this map seriously it's just meant to 405 00:13:03,780 --> 00:13:01,570 be conceptual and the real reason is and 406 00:13:06,060 --> 00:13:03,790 again I want to be careful with the time 407 00:13:07,590 --> 00:13:06,070 the reason is I think what we can do is 408 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:07,600 we can systematically go through pretty 409 00:13:12,270 --> 00:13:10,090 much every anomaly and we can show why 410 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:12,280 it doesn't actually make sense to use 411 00:13:16,140 --> 00:13:14,650 this kind of framework and that that I 412 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:16,150 think that will actually tell us a lot 413 00:13:20,130 --> 00:13:18,850 about what's going on but just to you 414 00:13:21,570 --> 00:13:20,140 know give people the flavor a little bit 415 00:13:23,070 --> 00:13:21,580 so we can take this other experiment at 416 00:13:25,980 --> 00:13:23,080 pair called the random mechanical 417 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:25,990 cascade so here you had a series of 418 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:27,850 they would call them precision 419 00:13:31,350 --> 00:13:30,250 engineered polystyrene spheres if I have 420 00:13:34,230 --> 00:13:31,360 it correct but I'm just gonna call them 421 00:13:36,510 --> 00:13:34,240 balls and the ball has dropped from the 422 00:13:38,100 --> 00:13:36,520 ceiling they hit a peg each time they 423 00:13:39,420 --> 00:13:38,110 hit a peg you know they bounce and at 424 00:13:40,620 --> 00:13:39,430 the end of the day that the device is 425 00:13:41,970 --> 00:13:40,630 supposed to have a distribution that 426 00:13:43,710 --> 00:13:41,980 looks like one of these nice standard 427 00:13:45,060 --> 00:13:43,720 Gaussian distributions but instead of 428 00:13:46,410 --> 00:13:45,070 like the re G where you're trying to 429 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:46,420 influence the line on the screen to go 430 00:13:48,750 --> 00:13:47,650 up or down here you're trying to 431 00:13:50,490 --> 00:13:48,760 influence the balls to go left or right 432 00:13:52,290 --> 00:13:50,500 and basically you get a very similar 433 00:13:53,370 --> 00:13:52,300 effect the only point that I want to 434 00:13:56,690 --> 00:13:53,380 make is now that we're talking about 435 00:13:59,670 --> 00:13:56,700 balls instead of you know electrons in a 436 00:14:01,170 --> 00:13:59,680 semiconductor is this an energy effect 437 00:14:03,570 --> 00:14:01,180 is this an information effect on my 438 00:14:04,650 --> 00:14:03,580 influencing the wind who knows you know 439 00:14:06,660 --> 00:14:04,660 I'm just not sure but I know that I've 440 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:06,670 got this effect if we go to the 441 00:14:11,010 --> 00:14:09,370 information sensing experiments you know 442 00:14:12,510 --> 00:14:11,020 you guys know about most of this you 443 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:12,520 know we've got the telepathy experiments 444 00:14:15,690 --> 00:14:13,930 there's a problem with telepathy or 445 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:15,700 depending on what your experimental 446 00:14:19,140 --> 00:14:17,410 setup there's always an issue of who's 447 00:14:20,910 --> 00:14:19,150 actually sending and receiving and I 448 00:14:22,500 --> 00:14:20,920 think remote viewing is particularly 449 00:14:24,090 --> 00:14:22,510 good this way if you if you look at all 450 00:14:26,820 --> 00:14:24,100 the different remote viewing protocols 451 00:14:27,930 --> 00:14:26,830 you've got versions where you're sending 452 00:14:30,450 --> 00:14:27,940 out an agent and then there's a 453 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:30,460 precipitous what the agent saw well 454 00:14:34,410 --> 00:14:32,530 who's actually sending what to who in 455 00:14:36,390 --> 00:14:34,420 that situation you also have versions 456 00:14:37,860 --> 00:14:36,400 where there is no other person I'm 457 00:14:39,750 --> 00:14:37,870 trying to perceive an event you have a 458 00:14:40,710 --> 00:14:39,760 situation where I'm trying you know Dell 459 00:14:42,540 --> 00:14:40,720 graph we'll probably talk about this 460 00:14:43,860 --> 00:14:42,550 later he's gonna dream and try to figure 461 00:14:46,020 --> 00:14:43,870 out what's gonna be on tomorrow's 462 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:46,030 newspaper well you know how is that 463 00:14:50,130 --> 00:14:47,970 happening what's going on they're 464 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:50,140 healing in biological effects bill 465 00:14:52,620 --> 00:14:51,490 talked about this a lot so there's 466 00:14:54,180 --> 00:14:52,630 really not that much to say I just want 467 00:14:56,070 --> 00:14:54,190 to say that there are traditions that 468 00:14:58,890 --> 00:14:56,080 talk about energy healing and vibes and 469 00:14:59,880 --> 00:14:58,900 locality electromagnetic fields etc but 470 00:15:01,590 --> 00:14:59,890 then you've got other versions which 471 00:15:03,450 --> 00:15:01,600 seem to be non-local where you seem to 472 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:03,460 have effects that scale in ways that as 473 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:05,050 bill was describing wouldn't necessarily 474 00:15:09,060 --> 00:15:07,290 make sense under an energy paradigm 475 00:15:10,140 --> 00:15:09,070 synchronicity I mean synchronicity is 476 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:10,150 another one of these interesting ones 477 00:15:14,190 --> 00:15:11,890 I'm not even sure exactly what to call 478 00:15:15,420 --> 00:15:14,200 it or how to describe it but the point 479 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:15,430 that I just want to make is you've got 480 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:17,050 things like the sink Texas situation 481 00:15:20,790 --> 00:15:18,610 that I described earlier which is 482 00:15:22,020 --> 00:15:20,800 actually pretty easy to explain without 483 00:15:23,490 --> 00:15:22,030 synchronicity or anything else because 484 00:15:25,500 --> 00:15:23,500 you could make the claim if you want it 485 00:15:27,300 --> 00:15:25,510 to that perhaps oh well Johnny's just 486 00:15:28,890 --> 00:15:27,310 really good at influencing the re G he 487 00:15:30,060 --> 00:15:28,900 influenced the re G while I was talking 488 00:15:31,890 --> 00:15:30,070 say they have a cool story to tell 489 00:15:34,260 --> 00:15:31,900 people for the years to come but in 490 00:15:35,610 --> 00:15:34,270 reality it's a lot more complicated 491 00:15:37,110 --> 00:15:35,620 because we don't actually be given the 492 00:15:39,660 --> 00:15:37,120 retro causation and everything else we 493 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:39,670 don't know when did i influence it 494 00:15:44,970 --> 00:15:41,290 influence at etc but you get other 495 00:15:46,620 --> 00:15:44,980 things like for example I did a remote 496 00:15:47,970 --> 00:15:46,630 viewing experiment at one point just you 497 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:47,980 know kind of as a side thing with some 498 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:49,570 friends there was this issue that came 499 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:51,130 up where we were trying to draw this 500 00:15:55,260 --> 00:15:53,170 pineapple here there was there's a 501 00:15:57,390 --> 00:15:55,270 inordinate amount of backing and forth 502 00:15:59,940 --> 00:15:57,400 thing on it for a while this went on for 503 00:16:01,380 --> 00:15:59,950 maybe thirty six hours on and off I was 504 00:16:03,210 --> 00:16:01,390 then in the final meeting talking about 505 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:03,220 the experiment and my wife sent me a 506 00:16:06,330 --> 00:16:04,210 picture that she just wanted the 507 00:16:08,100 --> 00:16:06,340 doctor's office and got this they saw 508 00:16:09,750 --> 00:16:08,110 this there so this is not it doesn't 509 00:16:11,250 --> 00:16:09,760 mean anything I mean I have no idea it's 510 00:16:12,780 --> 00:16:11,260 just the point though is that if you 511 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:12,790 were to try to diagram out you know what 512 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:14,050 are the mechanisms that could make this 513 00:16:17,670 --> 00:16:15,850 happen you could say something like well 514 00:16:19,410 --> 00:16:17,680 you know maybe my wife was feeling bored 515 00:16:20,490 --> 00:16:19,420 and wanted some attention and she was 516 00:16:22,950 --> 00:16:20,500 like all right I'm gonna psychically 517 00:16:24,690 --> 00:16:22,960 locate a pineapple that matches this 518 00:16:26,910 --> 00:16:24,700 that's one explanation maybe not maybe 519 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:26,920 the person who picked this out of the 520 00:16:31,230 --> 00:16:29,410 jar somehow knew picked this as a random 521 00:16:32,370 --> 00:16:31,240 target knew something about what we were 522 00:16:33,660 --> 00:16:32,380 gonna bump into and that that would 523 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:33,670 create an interesting effect we just 524 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:37,570 don't know I'm not I'm gonna skip the 525 00:16:42,630 --> 00:16:39,610 telekinesis and people have seen this 526 00:16:45,260 --> 00:16:42,640 there's some great work last year skip 527 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:45,270 that just want to also point out that 528 00:16:49,410 --> 00:16:48,370 most so you can you can basically take 529 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:49,420 any of these and I don't know that I've 530 00:16:51,900 --> 00:16:50,890 been that convincing we'd have to go you 531 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:51,910 know systematically through all of it 532 00:16:55,350 --> 00:16:53,410 but even with something like the re G 533 00:16:56,880 --> 00:16:55,360 experiment you you don't know that 534 00:16:58,260 --> 00:16:56,890 you're actually influencing anything it 535 00:17:00,000 --> 00:16:58,270 could be that you just showed up at 536 00:17:01,710 --> 00:17:00,010 exactly the right time to run the 537 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:01,720 experiment such that when you conducted 538 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:03,730 that trial that was the trial in the 539 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:05,770 superposition of possible re G outcomes 540 00:17:08,220 --> 00:17:06,970 that gets you the result that 541 00:17:09,630 --> 00:17:08,230 corresponds with your intention I've 542 00:17:11,190 --> 00:17:09,640 done some of the calculations around 543 00:17:13,140 --> 00:17:11,200 this and it there's a lot of ways in 544 00:17:15,090 --> 00:17:13,150 which your experimental setup matters a 545 00:17:17,190 --> 00:17:15,100 lot but basically it's pretty hard to 546 00:17:19,410 --> 00:17:17,200 distinguish unless you purposely design 547 00:17:21,540 --> 00:17:19,420 your experiment to try to exclude it and 548 00:17:24,360 --> 00:17:21,550 I don't to me it's not clear that it 549 00:17:25,380 --> 00:17:24,370 matters jumping ahead so just showing 550 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:25,390 that you can have a completely different 551 00:17:29,750 --> 00:17:27,730 mapping at the end of the day you can 552 00:17:31,740 --> 00:17:29,760 put all of this stuff anywhere almost 553 00:17:33,570 --> 00:17:31,750 don't want to go too overboard and say 554 00:17:36,300 --> 00:17:33,580 it's really anywhere but it almost kind 555 00:17:38,430 --> 00:17:36,310 of is so what do we do about that we 556 00:17:39,780 --> 00:17:38,440 have these phenomena they could really 557 00:17:40,770 --> 00:17:39,790 fit anywhere on the map we don't know if 558 00:17:42,090 --> 00:17:40,780 they're information we don't know if 559 00:17:44,370 --> 00:17:42,100 it's energy we don't know about senders 560 00:17:45,780 --> 00:17:44,380 and receivers and all these things I'm 561 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:45,790 gonna just highlight a few principles 562 00:17:49,650 --> 00:17:48,010 you can decide to agree with me or not 563 00:17:50,910 --> 00:17:49,660 it'll probably annoy a lot of people 564 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:50,920 depending on what kind of anomalies you 565 00:17:53,549 --> 00:17:52,930 study but I'm going to say the first 566 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:53,559 thing is 567 00:17:57,149 --> 00:17:55,690 first principle is simplification like 568 00:17:59,039 --> 00:17:57,159 it can't be that complicated that there 569 00:18:01,799 --> 00:17:59,049 are 56 different phenomena out there you 570 00:18:03,510 --> 00:18:01,809 know in the one case it's well it's this 571 00:18:04,830 --> 00:18:03,520 particular vibration of energy that does 572 00:18:05,940 --> 00:18:04,840 X but then in the other case somebody 573 00:18:07,799 --> 00:18:05,950 else who's creating the exact same 574 00:18:09,299 --> 00:18:07,809 healing effect is using a different one 575 00:18:10,409 --> 00:18:09,309 and they can do it non locally whereas 576 00:18:12,330 --> 00:18:10,419 the other person can only do it locally 577 00:18:14,010 --> 00:18:12,340 and this one can do it backwards in time 578 00:18:16,590 --> 00:18:14,020 but can't do it forwards in time etc I 579 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:16,600 think we need to just kind of hone in on 580 00:18:20,039 --> 00:18:19,090 there's probably one process or 581 00:18:23,220 --> 00:18:20,049 something that we want to think about 582 00:18:24,690 --> 00:18:23,230 the second point is that I think I 583 00:18:26,340 --> 00:18:24,700 believe in use I'll call it the 584 00:18:28,190 --> 00:18:26,350 principle of largest effects it's not a 585 00:18:30,360 --> 00:18:28,200 good way to really talk about it but 586 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:30,370 because there's such a diversity of 587 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:32,650 quote-unquote skill and effect sizes in 588 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:34,570 this field and because we I didn't talk 589 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:35,650 about this much but we have huge 590 00:18:38,549 --> 00:18:37,090 experimenter effects and other things 591 00:18:42,120 --> 00:18:38,559 that those of us who work with us a lot 592 00:18:43,950 --> 00:18:42,130 are very familiar with if person a does 593 00:18:46,049 --> 00:18:43,960 an experiment and they find out oh ok re 594 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:46,059 G's can be influenced but only on a full 595 00:18:49,620 --> 00:18:48,610 moon on Tuesday and person B does it and 596 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:49,630 says well you know what I can influence 597 00:18:53,789 --> 00:18:51,610 at anytime as long as the participant is 598 00:18:55,470 --> 00:18:53,799 female you add all these things up I 599 00:18:57,539 --> 00:18:55,480 think you have to take kind of the 600 00:18:58,860 --> 00:18:57,549 broadest set of effects so if it turns 601 00:19:01,200 --> 00:18:58,870 out that there's somebody who's getting 602 00:19:02,340 --> 00:19:01,210 huge effect sizes non-locally and doing 603 00:19:03,750 --> 00:19:02,350 all these other things you should 604 00:19:05,159 --> 00:19:03,760 probably assume all right the effect not 605 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:05,169 works non-locally and has these 606 00:19:08,399 --> 00:19:07,330 characteristics i think whatever we do 607 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:08,409 here we want it to be compatible with 608 00:19:14,430 --> 00:19:12,610 regular science this is I'll probably 609 00:19:16,409 --> 00:19:14,440 end up ending here I just wanted to say 610 00:19:19,169 --> 00:19:16,419 that this is not that exciting of a 611 00:19:21,090 --> 00:19:19,179 summary but I would say that the 612 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:21,100 commonality across all of these is that 613 00:19:25,260 --> 00:19:23,010 you have some kind of stochastic process 614 00:19:26,669 --> 00:19:25,270 that has I'll just say call it 615 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:26,679 sufficient degrees of freedom to be 616 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:28,090 effective we can debate what that means 617 00:19:32,430 --> 00:19:30,250 there's some kind of need or expectation 618 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:32,440 or intent on the behalf of some mind it 619 00:19:38,460 --> 00:19:33,490 could be a group mind that could be an 620 00:19:39,899 --> 00:19:38,470 individual mind there is I think and you 621 00:19:41,460 --> 00:19:39,909 know immense got at this a little bit 622 00:19:42,930 --> 00:19:41,470 and it's come up in builds experiments 623 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:42,940 with the mice I don't think it makes 624 00:19:46,289 --> 00:19:44,650 sense to think in terms of physical 625 00:19:47,850 --> 00:19:46,299 space time you know distance in time I 626 00:19:49,590 --> 00:19:47,860 herbin I sometimes use the word 627 00:19:52,020 --> 00:19:49,600 associative space you need to think 628 00:19:53,190 --> 00:19:52,030 about a space of relationship so for 629 00:19:54,930 --> 00:19:53,200 example if I'm trying to influence an 630 00:19:56,399 --> 00:19:54,940 RIT that's six thousand miles from here 631 00:19:57,870 --> 00:19:56,409 I might not even know that it's six 632 00:19:59,669 --> 00:19:57,880 thousand miles for here how is it that 633 00:20:01,020 --> 00:19:59,679 my intention is the thing that quote 634 00:20:02,730 --> 00:20:01,030 unquote influences it gives me the 635 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:02,740 effect the million people in the city 636 00:20:05,789 --> 00:20:04,330 around it who don't know about it have 637 00:20:06,690 --> 00:20:05,799 no impact whatsoever I think it's 638 00:20:08,460 --> 00:20:06,700 important 639 00:20:10,590 --> 00:20:08,470 to think about an alternative type of 640 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:10,600 spaces I also think you know I've talked 641 00:20:14,100 --> 00:20:12,850 about how senders versus receivers not 642 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:14,110 really a productive way of looking at 643 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:15,970 things I think in any given experiment 644 00:20:20,370 --> 00:20:18,490 you can select in a context that defines 645 00:20:22,020 --> 00:20:20,380 a person as a sender or a receiver but 646 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:22,030 in reality there's probably a lot of 647 00:20:25,620 --> 00:20:24,490 situations where these two minds or 648 00:20:27,630 --> 00:20:25,630 whatever they are could be a mind and an 649 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:27,640 object are sort of entangled in a way 650 00:20:30,390 --> 00:20:28,570 that makes them somewhat more 651 00:20:32,820 --> 00:20:30,400 indistinguishable you saw that a bit 652 00:20:34,740 --> 00:20:32,830 with Bill's work and then finally I'm 653 00:20:35,700 --> 00:20:34,750 cheating with a tautology and I'm not 654 00:20:37,500 --> 00:20:35,710 gonna have any kind of explaining if I 655 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:37,510 just want to say hard things are harder 656 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:40,090 or harder harder things are hard and so 657 00:20:43,860 --> 00:20:41,650 the idea here is that when you look 658 00:20:47,070 --> 00:20:43,870 across the spectrum of anomalies I think 659 00:20:50,010 --> 00:20:47,080 the more sort of improbable the result 660 00:20:51,780 --> 00:20:50,020 is the harder it is to get but that 661 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:51,790 doesn't necessarily mean that it's a 662 00:20:55,140 --> 00:20:52,930 different effect or a different 663 00:20:56,940 --> 00:20:55,150 phenomena and my only major implication 664 00:20:58,170 --> 00:20:56,950 was just learn to be good at the effect 665 00:21:05,150 --> 00:20:58,180 and stop worrying about all this other 666 00:21:10,140 --> 00:21:05,160 stuff that's it thank you thank you John 667 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:10,150 we have time for questions maybe two all 668 00:21:21,120 --> 00:21:19,450 three with re G's something I've been 669 00:21:23,430 --> 00:21:21,130 curious about and I think you're the guy 670 00:21:26,370 --> 00:21:23,440 to answer it someone who can afford to 671 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:26,380 have five or ten or fifty professional 672 00:21:33,810 --> 00:21:31,530 orgies in the same room as there any non 673 00:21:35,580 --> 00:21:33,820 non-local experiments done like do a 674 00:21:38,010 --> 00:21:35,590 whole bunch of very G's on the same 675 00:21:40,260 --> 00:21:38,020 table yeah babe the same for someone 676 00:21:41,700 --> 00:21:40,270 trying to influence them so we've never 677 00:21:43,890 --> 00:21:41,710 done that I know other people who have 678 00:21:46,410 --> 00:21:43,900 and I'm also a little bit theoretically 679 00:21:48,360 --> 00:21:46,420 biased on this but given what we've seen 680 00:21:50,310 --> 00:21:48,370 with a lot of different effects my guess 681 00:21:51,570 --> 00:21:50,320 is they won't accept in the case where 682 00:21:53,670 --> 00:21:51,580 you have an experimenter who's wanting 683 00:21:55,940 --> 00:21:53,680 to find that in which case I expect that 684 00:21:58,710 --> 00:21:55,950 you'll end up with a z-score showing 685 00:22:00,120 --> 00:21:58,720 something in line with whatever that 686 00:22:01,710 --> 00:22:00,130 experimenters capacity is as an 687 00:22:03,660 --> 00:22:01,720 individual operator so it will show a 688 00:22:05,460 --> 00:22:03,670 local physical effect with more re G's 689 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:05,470 to the extent that that experimenter is 690 00:22:12,630 --> 00:22:10,810 able to generate that okay appears you 691 00:22:15,330 --> 00:22:12,640 have been very clear no questions I 692 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:15,340 don't know thank you for this session 693 00:22:18,090 --> 00:22:16,330 thank you John